Brent Zook of Duck Sports Authority posted a link to this on Twitter, a post from "Saturday Down South", a blog devoted to the glories of ESS EEE SEE footbaw, leaving out the messy details like cupcake scheduling, oversigning, low entrance requirements and inflated perception.
Snippets from the poster's remarks follow in italics. The blog identifies him only as "Jon." Blogs from the SEC typically only use first names, or often just an internet handle. The anonymity allows them to make more unsubstantiated and outrageous remarks:
Being a part of the SEC and watching games every Saturday Down South, one is quick to realize that the game is won in the trenches, and that is what separates SEC football from the rest of the measly contenders – the depth and talent along the offensive and defensive lines.
We saw what big Nick Fairley did last year for the Auburn Tigers against Oregon, and he basically ripped the Ducks the whole game – a complete domination. It seemed like Fairley was in the backfield every other play, disrupting the timing of the offense or getting a lick on the quarterback.
The coin toss is 19 days away, and already the Ducks have been downgraded to "measley contenders." Quite a dismissal for a team that's won 32 games and finished 2nd, 11th and 8th in the country the last three seasons, while winning two straight conference titles.
Fairley had a great game, no doubt, but he also had a few great games against some SEC schools as well. The Ducks lost that game by a field goal in the final two seconds, but in a year or two the score South of the Mason-Dixon line will be revised to 55-3. Revisionist history is another Southern tradition, like fried catfish and playing your ninth game versus Coastal Carolina.
It's absolutely true that the Ducks didn't have any success running the football on the loose sod in Glendale, but Darron Thomas had 363 yards through the air, with two touchdowns. It's entirely possible the outcome will be different in Cowboy Stadium. We'll know in 19 days.
There could be several question marks for the LSU Tigers on offense, namely the quarterback position, entering 2011, but we all know John Chavis’ defense will be both physical and deep – and obviously talented.
On the other hand, Oregon’s offensive line only returns two starters from a year ago in tackle Mark Asper and guard Carson York. Each one weighs 325 and 286 respectively, so they are of the heavier members of the line for the Ducks. Losing three offensive line starters is a big lick from a year ago. Everyone knows Oregon’s offense is built around speed – speed getting on the football every snap and speed at all the skill positions. This offensive line acts as a conduit-type mechanism that merely separates speedy backs LaMichael James and Kenjon Barner from the checker boards – or at least it does against Pac-12 competition.
It's always amusing to me how the bloggers and posters from the SEC will gloss over the weaknesses of their teams and their style of football, while presuming the graduation losses and apparent weaknesses of the opponent are crippling and defining. Quarterback is a pretty important position, but just so everybody knows, Darrion Weems, Oregon's likely starter at left tackle, stands 6-5, 302, and he started seven games last year. His backup, Everett Benyard, is a healthy 6-7, 325. Ryan Clanton, the likely starter at left guard, is 6-5 300. And York? After a summer in the weight room, he's up to an efficient and conditioned 292.
They're obsessed with size in the Deep South, or at least fatness. What they don't realize is that Oregon's zone blocking and double team scheme requires linemen that are agile and intelligent rather than merely large. They have to play with discipline and cohesion and be able to block at the second level. Chip Kelly and Steve Greatwood want athletes for the line, not blobby donut gobblers. It generally works. Oregon's offense produce 47 points a game last season, tops in the country with 6899 total yards. And I'm sorry, I don't know what "a conduit-type mechanism that merely separates LaMichael James and Kenjon Barner from the checkerboards" is, other than one of the most woefully-mixed metaphors in the history of cyberspace. William Faulkner would be aghast. I think it means the Ducks offensive linemen are good at opening holes. But only against PAC-12 competition. Apparently they missed the Tennessee game. Could have been a regional blackout.
Here is where the Tiger fans are in a bit of a trap. Last season Oregon went on the road and beat an SEC school 48-13 with a sophomore quarterback. LaMichael James rushed for 134 yards, including a 72-yard touchdown. The Ducks and their suspect offensive line had 202 yards on the ground and 447 yards of offense after a slow start. Darron Thomas, playing in his second game as a starter, threw for 202 yards and two touchdowns, no interceptions.
The retort might be that Tennessee isn't any good, but the Volunteers played LSU to a standstill last season, losing in the last replayed second, 15-13.
So the Ducks can't stand up to SEC opponents and their big, physical defensive lines. Except the ones they've recently played and beaten.
However, history has shown us that Oregon does not match up well with physical defensive lines – see Auburn and even Ohio State 2009. In both games, the offensive line was rather manhandled, which led to losing the football game.
LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis, to put it mildly, is rather ecstatic at the speed at the end positions. Sam Montgomery returns from an injury and will join Lavar Edwards, Ken Adams and Barkevious Mingo to create dynamic speed at defensive end. Also, add in the mix Ego Ferguson and mismatches can certainly be made quite frequently.
Two games is a pretty small sample. Here are three more: USC and Stanford had pretty big, physical defensive lines, and Oregon hung 52 and 53 points on them. Stephen Paea of Oregon State was the strongest man ever at the NFL combine, 49 reps of 225 lbs., and in the last three seasons of facing him the Ducks racked up 1529 yards and 139 points, going 3-0. Again, the crucial assumption here is that the Tigers will reload while Oregon flounders.That's a possibility but not a certainty, particularly with the energy and intensity the Ducks are showing in practice.
This is a very fast and physical defensive line that LSU will throw at the Ducks’ offensive line.
I am betting on added pressure from a pass rush standpoint from LSU in this one. This does several things for the defense: it leads the quarterback to get rid of the football quicker, limits passing options and creates mismatches in multiple protections. Mismatches should be handled nicely by this speedy LSU defensive backfield.
A physical defense held Oregon to 19 points compared to their season average of 49 a year ago, and a physical defense for LSU will do the same thing at JerryWorld.
Duck season has officially opened!
It doesn't necessarily follow that LSU in game one will have the same success against Oregon that Auburn did in the national championship game. Duck fans could use the same reasoning to say, "Tennessee held LSU's inept offense to 13 points, so the Ducks should keep them to six." LSU's reloading defense, meanwhile, lost a star at each level in defensive lineman Drake Nevis, middle linebacker Kelvin Sheppard (their leading tackler) and Jim Thorpe Award winner Patrick Peterson. The Tigers have a great tradition on defense, but even Chavis has some work to do, molding newcomers into a unit.
Oregon's made some improvements and adjustments of their own. The outcome in Dallas might be as foregone as the denizens of Southern football presume, but it's equally possible tired metaphors and lazy assumptions may be laid to rest.
Hey, the football is not round and it bounces in strange ways. Should the ball bounce in Oregon's direction at the beginning of the game, say giving the Ducks a 14 point lead, I don't see LSU and their grind-it-out run game ever catching up. The same can't be said for Oregon, which has a passing game, and a level of explosiveness that can make up points against great teams in a hurry (Stan, USC for example). LSU had better keep this close, because Oregon can put it out of reach in a hurry.
@duckluck I expect chip Kelly to...ow who am I kidding? I have no clue what he has planned. You would think he would start by establishing the run game to set up some safe, short passes to get the team into a rhythm. But then again he might go for thier throat the first play of the game or maybe he will punt it on 1st down...who knows!
I think LSU will be a little more predictable due to thier QB situation and Oregon's secondary. I have seen Les Miles mismanage many clocks at the end of tight games. Clock management will be huge for LSU and thier best way of winning is 4 yards and a cloud of dust fallowed by letting the play clock run down to :00. I am scared to say that they just might have the personal to do it.
Thanks dl--the shape of the football is one reason why people should never bet on it. You make a very good point. With their tempo Oregon is never out of a game and is perfectly poised to overcome an early deficit. The Tigers, with their plodding offense and inconsistent play at quarterback, probably can't afford to trail early, especially by a couple of touchdowns.
Stay classy Duck fans...even in the face of absolute ignorance. There is a reason that many (not all) SEC fans aggressively seek out PAC10 blogs and post the same old nonsense again and again. It's because deep down they know the truth. They know they have a losing record vs. the PAC10 over the last decade, they know the PAC10 plays exciting high-profile games regularly in thier OOC schedules while they get to watch their team play some high school team, they know the PAC10 had a better winning% and larger margin of victory against a much tougher OOC schedule last year, they know that scheduling a cupcake late in the season is so you lessen the risk of a late season loss and get an additional bye week, they know the BCS system is a sham and there is no real "National Championship" in CFB, and I assure you that deep down...way deep down..they know that the evidence is consistent and overwhelmingly shows that the SEC is NOT "dominant." The debate is so one sided it's ridiculous!
Win or lose, LSU's stock just went up in my book for playing Oregon. They could played some cupcake and ran up the score, but they diden't. They chose to schedule a game that they know the fans want to see and be assured that they knew that they were risking the myth that SEC fans hold so dear...for that they get my respect!
@JesseEllis Losing record over the last decade? Since the start of the 2004 season the SEC leads the Pac-Ten 9-6 in head to head games. Oh.....you meant all-time? In that case the SEC leads the Pac-Ten 69-44-7. You've got your parameters and I've got mine.
My appoligies if my critisisem has agitated you. I am not an SEC hater. I love CFB and have a great appreciation for the teams and fan bases accross the nation.
You are correct when you state the SEC's record vs. PAC10 seince 2004. Below is a list of the games, the score, what both teams record was by the end of the season, and where they ended up in thier confrence. notice how many mismatches were played in favor of the SEC. Now notice how those PAC10 teams that played SEC teams that finished with better records and/or higher in their confrence barely squeaked out a victory. Nothing below points to the SEC being dominant...nothing! Furthermore, this is just a small piece of a very large puzzle. Their are common opponents, records vs. teams from BCS AQ conferences, etc, etc...and even the categories where the SEC dose come out on top, it's usually not by much and certainly not dominant in any way.
The data is consistent and it paints a very clear picture. I/we are not saying that the SEC is horrible. We are just saying that they are not dominant when judged by on field strength!
§ 2004 Sept 09:@LSU 22 (9-3/4th in the SEC) Oregon State 21(7-5/4th PAC10)
**Fairly even match-SEC Wins by 1 pt
§ 2005 Sept 09:LSU 35 (11-2/1st in the SEC) @ASU 31(7-5/5th in the PAC10)
**Mismatch-LSU only wins by 4pts
§ 2005 Sept 17:@USC 70 (12-1/1st in PAC10) Arkansas 17(4-7/9th in the SEC)
§ 2006 Sept 02:USC 50 (11-2/1st in PAC10) @Arkansas 14(10-4/2nd in SEC)
**Even match-PAC10 wins (blowout!)
§ 2006 Sept 02:@Tennessee 35 (9-4/5th in SEC) California 18(10-3/2nd in PAC10)
**Fairly even match-SEC Wins
§ 2006 Sept 02:@Auburn 40 (11-2/3rd in SEC) Washington State 14(6-6/7th in PAC10)
§ 2006 Sept 09:@LSU 45 (11-2/3rd in SEC) Arizona 3(6-6/6th in PAC10)
§ 2007Sept 01: @California 45 (7-6/7th in PAC10) Tennessee 31(10-4/2nd inSEC)
§ 2008Sept 01: @UCLA 27 (4-8/8th in PAC10) Tennessee 24(5-7/8th in thePAC10)
**Even match-PAC10 Wins
§ 2008Sept 20: Georgia 27 (10-3/3rd in SEC) @ASU 10(5-7/7th in PAC10)
§ 2009Sept 05: LSU 31 (9-4/3rd in SEC) @Washington 23(5-7/7th in PAC10)
**Mismatch--LSU only wins by 8pts
§ 2009Sept 12: UCLA 19 (7-6/8th in PAC10) @Tennessee 15 (7-6/5th inSEC)
**Fairly even match-PAC10Wins
§ 2009Sept 26: @Georgia 20 (8-5/4th in the SEC) ASU 17(4-8/9th in PAC10)
** Mismatch-SEC only wins by3pts
§ 2010Sept 11: Oregon 48 (12-1/1st in PAC10) @Tennessee 13(6-7/8th in SEC)
§ 2011Jan 10: @Auburn 22 (13-0/1st in SEC) Oregon 19(12-1/1st in PAC10)
§ Even match-SEC Wins
(ThePAC10 is 2-1 vs. teams that played in the SEC title game)
@JesseEllis how many duck fans have reached out to sec blogs recently to rumble? I know I have! That's because I was honest and unbiased, with facts to back my argument. Im also glad these teams square off early, no what-ifs or we would've whooped you debates! The sec has won 5 rocks in a row so im afraid that counts as dominance. let's change that starting this season.
Part of the reason why the have won those five rocks is that the system is tilted to get a SEC team in the game in the first place, with eight of them starting out ranked, and schedules padded with a 4-0 start around the conference. But the Ducks do have an opportunity to do their lobbying on the field; it is a season where they truly control their own destiny. They have the nations attention, and now they have to keep it.
LD, thank you. Apparently it's troll season. Last year I had many guests from Tennessee and they were all remarkably gracious and cordial while being thoroughly passionate about their team. I had never enjoyed writing a game week as much. This guy is insufferable and rude.
@Dale@DavidCharlesEason Newton david keep it to a dull roar man. You act like you played for auburn with this type of intensity. Who exactly is your team? Who cares about the pac record vs the sec, all we care about round here is the ducks. Let's see how loud you're after september 3rd. Go ducks
............."Out here in the Northwest, a decade is 10 years............"
No kidding. And 2004 is 7 years ago.You've got your parameters and I've got mine. It's not that hard to understand. And in the Deep South a liftetime is a lifetime. And Oregon has only 4 wins against the SEC in their history. It's nothing personal, Dale. I'm only asking that you tell the truth. It's one thing to stretch the truth like you've been doing. All sportswriters do that. But you're flat out lying and this proves it. Oregon isn't 5-3 against the SEC this decade as you posted. Oregon is 4-5 against the SEC ALL-TIME (caps are for emphasis; it's called Internet etiquette.)
If you want to post here you are going to have to lay off the personal remarks. No one is questioning anyone's manhood or labeling anyone, and leave the all caps SEC honking at home. Out here in the Northwest, a decade is 10 years. Oregon is 5-3 against the SEC in the last decade.
........."the system is tilted to get an SEC team in the game in the first place"......
I've seen some whiners in my time but you take the cake. For YEARS I've been reading that the SEC was afraid to play the Pac-Twelve on the West Coast. Well guess what? Auburn beat Oregon IN Pac-Ten territory. You had your chance and you LOST. Be a man and and accept it.
".......with eight of them starting out ranked,and schedules padded with a 4-0 start around the conference....."
Straight out of the Pac-Twelve playbook. Maybe if Pac-Ten fans would demand more from their football programs instead of worrying about who SEC teams schedule, then somebody besides USC might win a BCS national title. Of course USC hasn't won one either. In just the last two seasons the SEC has ELEVEN OOC wins against teams that finished ranked as compared to five for the Pac-Ten. And I've seen San Jose St. on enough Pac-Ten schedules to know that you guys aren't exactly playing the Packers or the Steelers every week.
@Dale Newton@lexusduck I couldn't agree more! It really is an unquestionable truth. However, If the Ducks go undefeated they will surely be selected to play in the "NC". The same can be said for LSU, and both these teams play one hell of a schedule. That's what makes this game so special. Two of the most talented and entertaining teams in CFB, two of the best fan bases in CFB, and two teams that are willing to put it all on the line. Thank you to LSU and Oregon for scheduling this game! It's a shame they did not schedule a home and away. Both Death Valley and Autzen Stadium are always ranked in the top 5 in noise and game experience.
@lexusduck I have seen a few Oregon fans on SEC blogs, but not many.
"The sec has won 5 rocks in a row so im afraid that counts as dominance"
1) Conference strength=the whole confrence. Not just 1 team. If the debate was "who produces the best team every year then those "rocks" would be a strong piece evidence. However, a confrence has more then one team and confrence strength means the whole confrence. Conference strength is why the SEC gets excused for playing a weak OOC schedule, scheduling cupcake late in the season, and still being considered for a "NC" even if they lose a game.
2) Those "rocks" were earned in a system without a playoff and only 1 was against a PAC10 team. Unless you want t argue that the BCS is a great system that is capable of picking the best team year in and year out, those 5 "rocks" count for very little in the confrense strength debate.
3) OK...lats assume I am way off on #1 & #2 and my bias is blinding my reasonable judgment and those 5 games mean a lot! If you want to hold up 5 games in 5 years as proof of dominance, what do all the head-to-head matchups, common opponents, records vs. BCS AQ opponents, and all the other evidence proof of? there must be at leastt 40-50 games worth of data that is almost always consistent. I would put my 40-50 games against you 5 games any day...but that might just be my bias shining throu again.
well Jesse, that should get some heated replies. Thanks for posting. LSU does play one of the toughest schedules in the country this year with games against Oregon and West Virginia, the first nuetral site and then WV on the road in week 4.
LOL.. looks like theres kool aide drinkers on both sides!! what a surprise!!..lol
he should read lao tszu too.
I like kool-aid. It's delicious. Green and yellow are my favorite flavors, but the purple is good too.